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Сообщение Katinka » 19 май 2016, 18:48

First of all, let me express, that the Transphoto.ru website is a really great one, for all kinds of trams and I have also learned alot about types of trams, we do not have in Western Europe, Czech Republic, Germany.

Therefore, it is good that there is photo-moderating, to guarantee a good quality of the photos. As well my respect goes to the people, who spend their freetime, checking photos, giving advice.

But the same time, we photographers do spend time, energy and money to take photos. The same time, we are longing to get better, to hear some advice and improve.

Recently, I am not satisfied at all with the way, the photos are moderated. It is a good thing, that blurred, unsharp photos are rejected. It is a good thing, if we can improve and also make the horizon even or such.

But, I do not agree on such things:

http://transphoto.ru/photo-all/1106369/

Возможные причины отклонения:
» Нежелательный (малоинформативный) ракурс
» Транспортное средство не целиком

» Undesirable (uninfoemainve) viewpoint
» Vehicle is cut away

"Vehicle is cut away". It is a LONG tram (not any short old Gotha) that is going in the curve. Where is it cut away?

"Undesirable viewpoint" - what is that? I think it is a subjective matter and not any real reason!

Especially "undesirable viewpoint" - I had that quite often, when I did take photos of the front of a tram. According the photo-uploading program, it is possible to take photos from front of a tram. Not only that, such reason is TOTALLY out of any logic, common sense and objective judging!

What is desirable, that is really upon everyones own taste!

The same goes for reasons like "uninteresting". What is "uninteresting" ? It is not upon the photo-moderator to make such subjective remarks, which are not realistic. To decide whether something is interesting or not is up to the onlookers of the photo.

I do not understand, what is going on recently with the photo-moderating and it would be nice, to get an explanation, as I find it pretty confusing, to read such strange, subjective, reasons.

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Сообщение Михаил Исаков » 20 май 2016, 00:25

Pictures of long trams should be taken accornigly.

Not a tram, but example is the same.
https://abload.de/img/1510_pha94-30_img_2177vukr.jpg It's good.
https://abload.de/img/1510_pha94-30_img_217piuiq.jpg It's bad.

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Сообщение Katinka » 20 май 2016, 21:42

THANK YOU! I understand that fact, that despite a long tram, the whole tram must be visible!

I will follow this rule in the future.

Still, the other matters I mentioned are still in question?

I am always open for reasons, that are based on objective, logic matters.

It is a pity, that upload-guidellines are not available in English.

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Сообщение Михаил Исаков » 26 май 2016, 01:49

We are working on English and German translations. They should be available soon.

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Сообщение Katinka » 09 июн 2016, 20:23

Hello, this photo is in "review" mode since April 18 th!

I wonder, why it got rejected? On a reason "uninteresting"? I did take the photo because it does show very close the typical shape of Tatra T3 stern and its round shape. I think, "uninteresting" is not a valid reason, but just an objective ones. Photos should be kept or rejected SOLELY by objective reasons.

http://transphoto.ru/photo-all/1111834/

I am waiting your answer, thank you very much in advance!

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Сообщение Михаил Исаков » 25 июн 2016, 12:39

You may try retrialing this photo.

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Сообщение Katinka » 15 сен 2016, 20:12

Hello, I have a question regarding photos:


This here:
http://transphoto.ru/photo-all/1148687/

"» Equal photos in 4-month period already exists
» Poor frame composition
» Poor lighting"

I do not understand, why I constantly get the message by photo-admins, also on other photos "equal photos in 4 month period already exists".

What does it mean? It can not be, that I have uploaded similar before, because I did not.
Does it mean, that such photo was uploaded by another member already and it is not wanted to have more photos of this type on the site?

Poor frame composition:
I understand, this is used, when the element (here the tram) is not right in the middle. Although I think, it is not so important in middle or not - as long the thing itself is sharp and close enough. But ok, this are the rules.

"poor lighting".
I do not see this on my photo. In my opinion poor lighting is, if:
- you take photos against the sun
- you have some deep shadows, which do obstruct the view on the tram etc.
- bad light in the evening, rain snow etc.

I am very confused by the style of moderating and it would be nice, to get explanations.

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Сообщение Михаил Исаков » 16 сен 2016, 00:00

Poor litning - tram is dark, and the scene is lighter.
4 month are considered as a time frame for any photos during it with the same angle, not depending on who is uploading photos.

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Сообщение Сергей Мурашов » 17 сен 2016, 19:23

Katinka пишет:Poor frame composition:
В данном случае - вертикальные кадры не приветствуются
Katinka пишет:"poor lighting"
На этом сайте очень не любят, когда в кадре абсолютно белое, т.н. "выбитое" небо
Katinka пишет:» Equal photos in 4-month period already exists
Сайт различает 4 ракурса: спереди-справа, спереди-слева, сзади-справа и сзади-слева. Две фотографии в одном и том же ракурсе должно разделять не менее 4 месяцев при отсутствии внешних изменений *. Место съёмки, авторство, номер маршрута значения не имеют.
* Для фотографий, признанных высококачественными, правило 4-х месяцев не применяется.

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Сообщение V11 » 18 сен 2016, 15:03

Сергей Мурашов пишет: Сайт различает 4 ракурса: спереди-справа, спереди-слева, сзади-справа и сзади-слева.
Ну здравствуйте. Внешних ракурсов давно уже 8.

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Сообщение Katinka » 02 ноя 2016, 21:08

Regarding again

"equal photo in 4 month period" :

I have checked, whether of this tram - 102 - was already uploaded a photo of same angle, same place before, and THEN I did upload my photo.

I have been checking the other photo of same tram before, to avoid negative point "minus".

And still, despite there is not any same photo of this tram in same angle, same place, I got the "equal photo" comment?

Here is the photo:
http://transphoto.ru/photo-all/1163669/

Of course, the aim of every photographer is: To upload good quality, not always same photos, and to avoid the "minus".

In this case, how can I avoid "minus", if even checking photos of the same tram does not help?

If you mean that any tram with same angle can not be uploaded - I think it is impossible, because there are not 1001 angles you can take photos of a tram and there are so many photos uploaded here.

I am very thankful for your help, as for me this is VERY confusing.

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Сообщение Михаил Исаков » 03 ноя 2016, 20:48

As for now, as I wrote before, 4 months rule is:

4 month are considered as a time frame for any photos during it with the same angle, not depending on who is uploading photos.


Angle is not exact angle, but: front, rear, left side, right side and combinations like front-left, front-right, rear-left and rear-right.
This rule is not applied to photos with good quality (they will get I- Q+). So with a good quality it's not a problem.

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Сообщение Katinka » 03 ноя 2016, 21:45

Hello,

thank you for explaining again.

You mention, this does apply only on photos of not good quality.

I understand, bad quality is, if against light, too dark etc.

On that photo, I think there is not any bad quality. It is not taken against the sun, it is straight, well with all criteria, I do not see any bad quality.

Of course I try to improve, but I would like to know, where is the bad quality here:
http://transphoto.ru/photo-all/1163669/

I understand such terms like "blurry" or "against sun" or if simply the weather is too bad and you prefer sunny photos.

I try to use the critic to improve, this is why I am asking the questions. Critic is good, but it should lead the way to improvement.

So again I thank you for patience and explanation !

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Сообщение Михаил Исаков » 04 ноя 2016, 02:59

Yes it's blurry. http://transphoto.ru/photo/967186/ this one is not.
If you can show the original picture, I maybe can tell you more.

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Сообщение Katinka » 04 ноя 2016, 11:20

Thank you, I will check this at the computer at home. In any case, if the problem is, that the photo is blurry, then it should be rejected because of this reason and not because of another reason. It would be more fair and more something what can be logically understood by the photographer. Then if a photo is blurry, that can not be discussed about.

Here is a link to the original before I reduced size for uploading:
http://up.picr.de/27332310tc.jpg

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Сообщение Михаил Исаков » 04 ноя 2016, 18:02

It seems to be too small to be original, maybe hosting website has resized it?

"4 months" reason is set automatically based on shot date and angle. It's the way the moderating system is working. If nothing changed (vehicle appearence, fleet number and so on) , it's considered an equal photo (but generally it's not a reason not to publish).

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Сообщение Katinka » 06 ноя 2016, 02:27

Sorry I can not prevent the upload site changing size of my photo,

Here, same problem: Claim quality probkem:
http://transphoto.ru/photo-all/1164670/

But I do not see it!! Even not on computer screen. I fear, my photo editing program is doing something unwanted and not visible to me. If you do see this one photo blurry too then I should try and find new free one.

I also resize it: wide 1100, as if I do like 1200 image can not be uploaded as too big. But I am aware resizing it, reduces quality. It is a dilemma!!

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Сообщение Михаил Исаков » 06 ноя 2016, 20:04

It's a bit blury too. Also it's not a problem to keep 1200 size, you only need to ajust quality when saving file to fit into 500kb size.

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Сообщение Katinka » 06 ноя 2016, 20:38

How can I choose that quality? I did look on PhotoScape -the program I use and it seems I have no way to influence the quality. How can I keep the quality of original photo?

As well - weeks before was no problem and now ALL my photos get rejected?

I am confused because of this and yet, I want to learn to improve.

I did also compare with other photos that were uploaded, to compare whether my photos are really SO bad.

Actually, I see these ones - not different than my photos:

http://transphoto.ru/photo/968121/
http://transphoto.ru/photo/968034/
http://transphoto.ru/photo/968012/

And compare with my photos:
Http://transphoto.ru/photo-all / 1164830 / http://transphoto.ru/photo-all/1164669/ http://transphoto.ru/photo-all/1164670/

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Сообщение Михаил Исаков » 07 ноя 2016, 00:17

Unfortunately I'm not common with PhotoScape, I think mostly used by our users is Adobe Photoshop. But as I can see, there should be some JPEG quality option there.

The main difference is that vehicle is far enough to hide quality :)

Also I think the main reason is that software you're using.

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Сообщение Katinka » 07 ноя 2016, 20:58

I have investigated further and found out YES I can change the quality of the jpeg output on my photo manipulating program.

I have tried to reduce size - wide 1100 pixels, quality 100%, and the result was with more details, more sharp.

However, I was not able to upload it, as I got the message "file too big".

I have resized it more, so it is now 675 x 900, and 455,5 kb.

However, I fear it lost quality again!

Which would be a good way, to work on the photos so, that they are not loosing quality and yet, file is not too big?

Thank you in advance :)

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Сообщение Михаил Исаков » 08 ноя 2016, 11:27

The limit is 500 kb. You can try about 80-85% for 1100 pixels, I think it should be enough.

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Сообщение Katinka » 08 ноя 2016, 23:47

Thank you, I have followed your instructions and to me the photo looked ok but it does get rejected like the orhers. Can it be fixed somehow? http://transphoto.ru/photo-all/1165466/

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Сообщение Михаил Исаков » 09 ноя 2016, 10:42

Please send original photo to admin@transphoto.ru. I'll try to see what is wrong.

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Сообщение Katinka » 09 ноя 2016, 19:21

Thank you very much for offering me your help.

I have sent you a mail with a) photo as it is b) photo "cut out" and c) the size-reduced and enhanced photo, which I actually used for upload.

I have meanwhile tried to upload another photo, which I think is allright - I did not work too much on it, reduced the size as much as neccessary and not more, and let's see what happens :)

http://transphoto.ru/photo-all/1165748/

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